Does hell exist? And did the pope give an answer?


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But throughout, the Vatican has seemed reluctant to bring down the hammer on an erudite man toward whom the pope apparently had grown affectionate.


Francis stayed in touch with Scalfari, calling him on the phone and inviting him in for another long chat in November 2016. Scalfari described their warm greetings and reported that the pope said, “It is the communists who think like Christians.”


This week’s controversy is not the first time Scalfari and the pope have visited the subject of hell. In October 2017, Scalfari wrote, “Pope Francis has abolished the places where souls were supposed to go after death: hell, purgatory, heaven.”


But the pope, who is surrounded by a court full of politically attuned cardinals, yes men and conservatives trying to undercut his mission, keeps coming back to Scalfari.


“We’ve become friends,” Scalfari said, recalling that the pope helped him into his car during the last visit, and that this time he walked him to the door. “He blessed me, but knowing that I’m not faithful, he blew me a kiss. And I responded in the same mode.”


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